Honestly, remove the Avid FX / Red. Pros use After Effects anyway.
Removing BCC though is unacceptable.
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Mediagix: Honestly, remove the Avid FX / Red. Pros use After Effects anyway. Removing BCC though is unacceptable.
To be honest AvidFX and the BCC AVX filters have never been part of Media Composer!
AvidFX and the BCC AVX filters have been included, as separate install discs, inside boxed purchases of MC. Or, if you bought a cheaper download version of MC, then you would have to buy the Productivity pack separately. (The same has been true for the Academic version)
Now, for the very first time, AvidFX is included in the zipped download version of MC. This has never been so before.
The BCC AVX filters can still be bought separately, as previously. (Exception: The boxed version does not have BCC AVX filters from version 6, as it had previously)
The BCC filters must plug into something. They are not an application in themselves.
The AVX version plugs into Avid's AVX engine. But there are other BCC versions that e.g. plug into AvidFX.
Mediagix:Pros use After Effects anyway
I am assuming you are a Pro, so you will have After Effects. The BCC VXF filters (almost the same ones as the AVX ones) plug into Adobe AE.If you are using Adobe AE, it might be better getting hold of that version of the BCC filters.
By the way the BCC filters that are part of Avid FX are actually the VXF filters that work in After Effects.
No matter how I look at this change in what is included and what must be purchased separately - I cannot see any significant economic difference involved.
I really cannot see the problem.
Regards,Douglas
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no need to defend Avid MC policy.
bottom line: the download version now has what we don't need - Avid FX, while the boxed version is missing what we do need - Boris Compendium Complete.
We got 30+ editing suites with either MC/Express/Symphony, most MC; people have been trained to use BCC.
If this feature is missing, I doubt there'll be an upgrade. I hope that at least the transfer manager is still working... otherwise I really see us not getting MC6 soon
Mediagix,
I mistunerstood your use of the word "we" e.g.
Mediagix: the download version now has what we don't need
By the way, I was not defending Avid MC policy, I was just giving you my point of view. Regards,Douglas
I use it in both ways.
Languague is a b****, I heard Japanese is even more complex than Indo-European languages.
Mediagix: I use it in both ways. Languague is a b****, I heard Japanese is even more complex than Indo-European languages.
Mediagix:I doubt there'll be an upgrade.
One thought -
Let's say that Avid settles on an upgrade pricing structure of $299 for each x.5 update (which is what Avid has said they are aiming for).
In addition, they include updates to Avid FX, Sorenson and Avid DVD. I'm assuming they intend to update these three as part of future x.5 updates but there is no guarantee - but for the time being, let's say this is Avid's new model.
In my last x.5 upgrades (other than 5.0 -> 5.5 - special case), I paid $299 (approx) for the MC software and then dished out another $199 (which Avid has since increased to $299) for the productivity pack (you guys remember that the productivity pack used to be $199, right? ;-).
OK - so that pricing scheme meant that a x.5 upgrade would cost me $600 (actually - if I chose the boxed version I could get this same combination for $500).
This combination included MC, Avid FX, Avid DVD, Sorenson, SonicFire Pro, AND BCC.
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Now - moving ahead to MC 6 - an upgrade price of $299 gets us MC plus Avid FX plus Avid DVD, plus Sorenson (no BCC).
If I didn't use BCC (and admittedly I do, but I'm seriously considering weening myself off of it ;-), this upgrade price is VERY good.
For the sake of discussion, let's say that many (most) users would still like BCC. Historically, Boris offers BCC version upgrades for $599 (BCC 6 -> BCC 7, for example).
This means that in order to get the same grouping of components for MC, I'll have to dish out $299 for MC 6 and then $599 for BCC for a total of $900 (I'm rounding up ;-).
I expect that this will be the upgrade pricing we will see with MC 6.5, MC 7, etc. and this is why some folks on this forum are, shall we say, unhappy with this pricing shift.
Now I understand that Avid and Boris have worked out a deal for MC 6 that will allow us to update to BCC 8 for what I assume will be a one-time special deal of $299 (which is a very good BCC upgrade price, I understand, but not as good as it was through Avid's productivity pack).
So for this one x.5 release, we will purchase the equivalent MC plus productivity pack (excluding SonicFire Pro - BTW) for approximately $600.
That's more or less consistent with the earlier upgrade pricing.
As I said - I wouldn't expect the next x.5 upgrade to be this reasonably priced. I'll expect a pricing of $900 (MC + BCC) if Boris is consistent with it's current upgrade pricing model.
OK - so you may say - don't upgrade BCC 8 to BCC 9, etc. Just upgrade MC 6.0 to MC 6.5, and stick with the very reasonable upgrade pricing of $299. To that I say - good idea - except that Avid will invariably qualify only a single version of BCC with any particular release of MC and so at some point, we'll have to update BCC just to be able to say we're running on a qualified configuration....
Long winded post - sorry - but you get my point?
Steve
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AndrewAction: Mediagix:I doubt there'll be an upgrade.Dont you also have a $295 upgrade requiement with BCC for AE?
I'm sure there is. But because BCC was always part of the MC package, and never part of the AE package, you can't compare it with the same measures.
@BarkinMadd:
that's all good and sound points, but again, every succesful policy is KISS.
Keep It Simple and Stupid = one price = one great package = no catch*
*is when I find out in the small printing, that essential stuff is mussing, similar price policy is upsetting ProTools users...
Updates on sonic are long overdue anyway (did anyone get sorenson bluray h.264 to work in sonice w/o again transcoding it?)
Especially now, where tons of editors are switching to Avid, it's important, that ALL the old features are there, plus improvements, plus new features...
The BCC Filters are essential, kick Red, everyones using AE anyway for serious compositing, why waste my time learning another compositing system?
BarkinMadd:except that Avid will invariably qualify only a single version of BCC with any particular release of MC and so at some point,
So BCC8 MAY just as easily be a one off upgrade when it is "time to change to 64 bit" (my glass is half full at 1 am)
Mediagix:But because BCC was always part of the MC package
I have infront of me at present the production packs VERY expensive (by todays upgrade prices) forerunner, Avid Studio Toolkit.
AndrewAction: Mediagix:But because BCC was always part of the MC packageBut it wasn't.
it was part of the boxed package - beyond that, what matters?
I'm getting the impression, is if you guys desperately want to pay extra in the future.
If you don't, it's about time you make that clear, here and now.
As long as you people are being defensive, you're giving Avid another excuse - think - then act.
AndrewAction: BarkinMadd:except that Avid will invariably qualify only a single version of BCC with any particular release of MC and so at some point, Qualify MAY be true but it is not the case in working environment. To the best of my knowledge BCC 5, 6 and 7 all work with MC 4 through to 5.5 So BCC8 MAY just as easily be a one off upgrade when it is "time to change to 64 bit" (my glass is half full at 1 am)
Over the past year or so, issues with BCC and MC have made their way to this forum. I can think of at least one instance where a defect noted in BCC (or MC - lot's of finger pointing) was said to be fixed in BCC 7 but that same fix would not make it into BCC 6. Suggesting that BCC 8 will be your last BCC upgrade is probably not realistic unless you're ok with incompatibilities with future MC releases.
Mediagix:I was also very concerned as well with 32 MC and Newscutter Nitris DX edit bays where BCC is a critical part of our established workflow, that BCC would no longer be available. I made it clear to Avid that if that were indeed the case, we would NOT be upgrading to MC 6/NC 10. They obviously saw the hand writing on the wall on that one.
While I also am disappointed that BCC has been discontinued from Media Composer and Newscutter and made exclusive to Symphony for new customers, I am relieved that Avid will offer an upgrade for existing BCC users (Cost - $299) to the (still in development) 64 bit based version of BCC when it becomes available, which I have been told is targeted for a simultaneous release with MC 6. I understand that it needed to be re-tooled to be full 64 bit based, and that older 32 bit versions of BCC would not work with MC 6, therefore necessitating a paid upgrade. I'm glad that the upgrade price is reasonable, especially considering the fact that to purchase BCC directly from Boris as a plug-in costs $1,995.00.
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