In relation with this post, I am looking for a way to do something inside tha Avid avoiding using Boris !
I'll explain what I wanna do !
layer 1 : background
layer 2 : PIP at 50%
layer 3 : text from title tool
layer 4 : still with alpha
I would move and resize layers 2+3+4 at once, so I collapse and apply "Resize" or 2D PIP, or 3D PIP. Problem,.. the background also moves and resizes ! Maybe a question for daapap (can you hear me?), it's rather easy with Boris using a container, but can Avid do thid easily without handling each indivisual layer's keyframe at the same TC?
Any ideas ?
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One of the MOST USEFUL tips I learned is this. Have you ever done this? You make some gfx, you collapse them into one track (NOT mixdown) and put them on another sequence. Now you want to spin them or something, but when you move the collapsed clip the bg moves with it? Here's how to get around it. Step into the collapse and on the bottom track (which should be empty) add a layer of absolute black. You do this by adding a colour effect and chaning the luma range to 0 to 255, then changing the luma clip high to 255 and the low to 0. Now you have absolute black. After you've done this step out of the effect and add a 3D warp to the collapsed layer and choose luma key and adjust as needed. Now you will key out the absolute black and should be able to do your 3D moves without the background! Not quite as clean as say pre-comps in After Effects but still pretty good. - Scott Carnegis
Have you ever done this? You make some gfx, you collapse them into one track (NOT mixdown) and put them on another sequence. Now you want to spin them or something, but when you move the collapsed clip the bg moves with it? Here's how to get around it.
Step into the collapse and on the bottom track (which should be empty) add a layer of absolute black. You do this by adding a colour effect and chaning the luma range to 0 to 255, then changing the luma clip high to 255 and the low to 0. Now you have absolute black.
After you've done this step out of the effect and add a 3D warp to the collapsed layer and choose luma key and adjust as needed. Now you will key out the absolute black and should be able to do your 3D moves without the background! Not quite as clean as say pre-comps in After Effects but still pretty good. - Scott Carnegis
Dylan Reeve - Edit Geek // Online/Offline Editor // Post Production SupervisorAuckland, New Zealand
Many thanks for this new reply, Sycophant !
I thought about a solution similar to yours, using an alpha channel which would be the addition of all the alphas of the different elements I would move or resize together !
But the Boris "Container" solution has many light years advance, despite the long rendering time, don't forget I was looking for an easier and faster solution compared to the Boris "Container" technic.
My first post began with this :
"In relation with this post,"
Another solution would be to drop MC and get an old Discreet Edit system off Ebay. They don't sell or support them any more, but you can get them cheap and get this! They even allow you to add effects to titles just like video but it only affects the title data!! Without any third party crap invovled. Shure it's old technology and was popular in the 90s but obviously the creators over at Discreet had a few notches up on Avid.....still do come to think of it. We've got an old one in the edit suite next door that tragically runs laps around our MCAHD when it comes to graphics tracks, title data, and alpha media. I guess that's a bonus of having a TGA card, but you'd think the newer technology would catch on.
So yeah, you're not alone in this frustration.
"you're not alone in this frustration."
Solace but no solution, thanks joebob for your reply, I know alpha handling has never been the strong point by Avid, But I don't think it would be a feat to create an option in a PIP command which would say "affect the background" that we could select or deselect, I can remember daapap's technic concerning a push FX without affecting the background, I have redone it today and it works, so the same "moving several layers at once without affecting the background" must be technically POSSIBLE !!!!!
From what I can see the callapse layers command is not intended to be used as an excuse for parenting of layers, more for ease of working with multiple layers and to help you manage rendering. The fact that it doesn't work as you want it to isn't supprising, it was never meant to.
Having said that keying option is a work around that does work, if you cannot make it work practice untill you can, it is possible to get the result you want.
Mike Kruft. Nottingham, UK
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