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How To Edit with Media from a Sony XDCAM EX Camera

Watch this video to learn exactly how to take media from the XDCAM EX card and edit with it in the Media Composer. A transcription of my narration is posted below the video.

I’m Bob Russo, the product evangelist for Avid Technology. Today, I’m going to talk about how to use media from a Sony® XDCAM® EX camera with the Avid® Media Composer®.

Using the Sony XDCAM EX Clip Browser software, select a memory card or drive where the EX media is stored. The clips load and I can play them in the viewer. Decide on the clips to use in the Media Composer and select File, Export, MXF. Choose a location for the files and click Start. The clips are quickly rewrapped as MXF files, like the files from an XDCAM™ HD camera.

Now in the Media Composer, select File, Import. The import box opens. Navigate to the folder where the MXF files are and select them. The files are added to the Media Composer very quickly, because they aren’t actually being imported. Instead, the clip information is being created in the bin and the media is being copied to the Avid media files folder. Once the clips are in, I’m ready to edit and combine them with other clips in my project.

And that’s how you use media from an XDCAM EX camera with the Avid Media Composer.

Comments

 

JC in KC said:

Thanks, Bob.  That's very helpful.

But what about the other formats that this camera can handle besides 1440x1080 60i?
How about 1920x1080 24p?
January 30, 2008 8:32 PM
 

BobRusso said:

Avid is working on adding the 35Mb codec. It will be in a future release of the software.

Regards,
Bob
February 5, 2008 3:44 AM
 

MojoJojo said:

Bob! Why do a video of all the obvious? What we who uses XDCAM EX really need is in depth guides! List of bugs and work-a-rounds etc. This is really disapointing.

M
February 7, 2008 9:27 PM
 

texmax said:

How about on a mac?  please... how
m
February 7, 2008 9:31 PM
 

samsmall said:

Curious if this XDCAM EX import process also works with Media Express Pro?
Also on the AVID Blog there's several folks that are saying the xdcam "rewrapping" import is working extremely slow - the post above twice boasts "very quickly" (red flag there) -  Hmmm Which might it be? To be honest, I tend to believe an end user on an issue like this rather than an AVID Evangelist.  
February 7, 2008 10:47 PM
 

Big Hat Pictures said:

Interesting that the Mac version of the sony clip browser software does NOT allow you to export MXF?
February 7, 2008 11:40 PM
 

MojoJojo said:

Here are some thoughts from an Avid user. *This is just my experience.*

There is so much to cover. Here is just a small hint. If you are working with 35mbit/s VBR use FFmmpeg or this: http://www.bolanski.com/ex/home/ex1-to-avid-fast-import/

Perhaps use it anyhow?

Sony Clip Browser works fine for evertything basic. But it is very buggy and you will get problems with e.g. spanned clips.

About the export/import times I would say half real-time x2. So except real-time + alot of media management. (On a xw8400 it is a bit faster).

So if you have 25mbit/s clips with no spanned clips use Clip Browser. Otherwise. Hit the forums.

Bob. I need help with two things:

When you import clips. Are the MXF-files in Avid Media Files linked via META-data to the MXF files exported from Clip Browser or must you always keep the original name on all the clips to be able to relink later?

Secondly I wonder if it is not the same to just drag the MXF to a bin?

Best regards,
M
February 8, 2008 7:27 AM
 

BobRusso said:

I don't think this process is obvious to the majority of people. The camera is brand new.

The Clip Browser software is written by Sony. It's entirely up to Sony, not Avid, to enable the ability to rewrap MP4 files as MXF with the Mac Version of the clip browser software.

If the MP4 files are rewrapped on a PC, the MXF files can be imported into a Mac based Media Composer.

I used a Dell LapTop with an Intel Core 2 T7400 2.167 CPU and 2 Gig of RAM. The clips used were 25, 15 and 20 seconds in length. I did not modify the video in anyway to adjust the time it took the rewarp the clips. If anything, using screen capture software slows down the performance of a computer.

This is the same thing as dragging them to a bin.

Bob
February 11, 2008 3:06 PM
 

Events Rewind said:

A hundred Los Angeles-area editors, cameramen and other enthusiastic professionals gathered at Burbank

March 31, 2008 2:29 PM
 

rupertwatson said:

Bob

can you add a bit about where you save them to from the Sony app.? Can you/should you save them straight to the Avid Mediafiles folder or to a separate folder in the media drive. If you do the latter what happens when you import them: is a copy made in the Avid Mediafiles folder?

April 18, 2008 3:37 PM
 

BobRusso said:

The MXF files from the rewrapped MP4 files should not be placed in the Avid MediaFiles folder. These are OP1a MXF files like the files created by the Sony XDCAM HD cameras and is not identical to the Avid MXF Media. Avid and Panasonic P2 use OP-Atom MXF files which is ever so slightly different. OP-Atom MXF, the audio and video are separate files. With OP1a MXF files the audio and video are embedded into a single MXF file.

When a XDCAM HD file is imported into the Avid, the only thing that’s happening is audio and video are dis-embedded and rewrapped as an OP-Atom MXF file thus separating the audio and video.

Bob

April 18, 2008 8:19 PM
 

Eric said:

Bob, I agree that this video contains useful content, and not perhaps so obvious to everyone. I do however, have one gripe. The fact that this process doesn't work on 35Mb clips was ever so conveniently omitted entirely.

This is the type of thing that angers me and others about Avid. It's understandable that you don't have all the solutions for new products worked out immediately, but you're (you=Avid) not forthcoming about that. You tell us: "Today, I’m going to talk about how to use media from a Sony® XDCAM® EX camera with the Avid® Media Composer®." instead of the much more truthful statement: "Today, I’m going to talk about the Sony® XDCAM® EX camera, and how Avid now supports the low quality media that nobody shoots".

OK, I don't expect you to say that, but it would be nice if Avid put more effort into helping its users and less effort into conning us.

April 23, 2008 11:27 PM
 

BobRusso said:

First, the current release of the Avid, X.8.3, supports the 35Mb codec.  

My intention was to not to mislead anyone, but to make the tutorial as evergreen as possible.

The very first comment was asking about support for the 35Mb codec which I answered right away.

April 24, 2008 1:22 AM
 

avdesign said:

To quote texmax:

texmax said:

How about on a mac?  please... how

m

February 7, 2008 10:31 PM

Well, how about it???

April 25, 2008 12:17 PM
 

MojoJojo said:

avdesign.

Just google it. That way you wont haveto wait.

April 25, 2008 12:33 PM
 

BobRusso said:

MP4 files rewrapped as MXF files using the Windows version of the Sony Clip Browser software import correctly in a Mac based Avid.

At NAB Sony announced Clip Browser Version 2.0. I believe the Mac version will rewrap MP4 files as MXF files.

<http://tinyurl.com/4ky2vm>

<http://tinyurl.com/4cz734>

April 25, 2008 1:26 PM
 

MojoJojo said:

But HEY! BobRusso! Doesnt MC Soft 2.8.3 Support HQ and SQ XDCAM EX MP4:s natively? When can we see a workflow wit th MC Soft 2.8.3? Personally I need it at laatest next week or I will have to go trial and error :). We are shooting HQ mode any day now.

Thanks

M

April 25, 2008 1:44 PM
 

BobRusso said:

The x.8.3 release of the Avid natively supports the 35Mb MXF files rewapped from the MP4 files. There is no native support for the MP4 files. Even Sony Vegas must rewrap the MP4 files as MXF to use them.

April 25, 2008 1:57 PM
 

avdesign said:

Hi MojoJojo, Bob,

I did google it. That's how I came here. Still doesn't answer my question though, but maybe your google search provided info that mine didn't; then please share...

Rewrapping on a Window system is not an option, as I'm using a MAC and don't carry around a Windows machine too. MC 2.8.3 isn't an option right now either, as I'm running OS-X.5.2 and can't go back to X.4.x (but if I've understood right I need to rewrap anyhow... right Bob?)

Anyway the question I quickly need to get answered is: is there a way right now (my customer can't wait for a next release of the Sony Clip Browser) to use XDCAM EX1 files with my MAC based AVID MC 2.8 (which BTW does run seamless on OS-X.5.2)?

Or must I, like many others, really consider to switch to FCP, as that does work....??!!

April 25, 2008 2:24 PM
 

BobRusso said:

Avid will officially support Leopard (and only Leopard) in the June release. The x.8.3 release is not officially supported on Leopard but there are threads on the Avid forums on how to run it with Leopard.

No matter the editor, the MP4 files will have to be rewrapped. Avid and Vegas require MXF files and FCP requires QuickTime files. If you're on an Intel based Mac, I suggest running Windows in a Virtual Machine.

April 25, 2008 2:59 PM
 

MojoJojo said:

BobRusso.

So Sony Clip Browser supports rewrapping of 35mbit/s HQ on PC? Or how do you rewrap the HQ for editing in 2.8.3? I am really interested in this because I will upgrade next week and shoot HQ

avdesign

You dont have to carry around a pc. Just put all your SxS file structures on an external drive. Open it up on a pc. rewrap it to MXF. Move back to MAC.

There is also the ffmpeg program that is great. But I am not sure it works on mac? If it does it can transcode MP4 to alot of different video formats. Including various DNX HD formats. It is  also a great program to use when eg. editing  files downloaded with bit-torrent.

April 25, 2008 4:20 PM
 

BobRusso said:

The Sony Clip Browser has always supported the rewrapping 35Mb MP4 files as MXF files The Avid didn't have the new codec, now it does. The process is identical to the 25Mb files.

April 25, 2008 4:31 PM
 

MojoJojo said:

Nice. I didnt remember it did.

How about mixing 25mbit, 35mbit, HDV and DV in the same project?

And how about relinking back to original MXF?

I suppose there is a page on avid.com that explains the new supported workflow?

April 25, 2008 4:50 PM
 

BobRusso said:

As long as the clips are like frame rates, they can be mixed in the same sequence in the Avid. Frame size doesn't matter, only frame rate.

These are imported files so if the original media is deleted, they can be batch imported. What I like to do is add the UNC Path to the bin headings. This will show you where the clip was and its original name when it was imported. Placing the clips back in this location makes the batch import easier. Currently the UNC Path heading only shows as an option in a 23.976/24p project. I save a bin view in that project type and use it in other projects.

April 25, 2008 6:59 PM
 

avdesign said:

Mojojojo,

That PC workflow would work if I would not have to shoot and edit directly afterwards in the field... Thanks for the tip on ffmepg; I found ffmpegX, which is said to be the MAC version of ffmpeg. I'll install it and see if it works, else I see no other solution right now than to uninstall AVID and install FCP (as that works), at least till AVID/Sony can get their act together....  :O(( I'll  let you know if it works or not...

May 5, 2008 5:18 PM
 

avdesign said:

Mojojojo,

That PC workflow would work if I would not have to shoot and edit directly afterwards in the field... Thanks for the tip on ffmepg; I found ffmpegX, which is said to be the MAC version of ffmpeg. I'll install it and see if it works, else I see no other solution right now than to uninstall AVID and install FCP (as that works), at least till AVID/Sony can get their act together....  :O(( I'll  let you know if it works or not...

May 5, 2008 5:18 PM
 

avdesign said:

OK, got the ffmpegX to work (was a lot of work downloading all the additional little apps, but in the end it works). However, I now wonder which format I can best convert to... suggestions?

May 5, 2008 5:53 PM
 

MojoJojo said:

Well if you can go online right away I would choose DNXHD120

It is a 120mbit/s format that is good enough for color grading. If you want to online later I would choose anything above 10:1 or DV. But I have no idea how the relink process would work. Try it out on a small clip.

I would love to get your report how it goes. If you donw want to post here please email me at kontakta.martin@gmail.com

May 5, 2008 7:27 PM
 

BobRusso said:

Brad Kean from USC created a utility for Windows that uses FFmpeg to convert the XDCAM EX 35Mb clips to DNxHD.

<www.bolanski.com/.../>

Any application that uses FFmpeg, like FFmpegX or VisualHub, can transcode the MP4 files. Aside from Brad's, I have not been able to figure out a way to transcode to a HD codec that can be used in an Avid.

The Mac version of the Sony Clip Browser software is Mac Intel only. So if you have a MacIntel, my suggestion is to install a Windows XP Virtual Machine and run the Windows version of the Clip Browser.

May 5, 2008 10:19 PM
 

avdesign said:

Mojojojo,

The problem now is, that there is no DNxHD120 codec (or any other DNx or AVID codec) in the list of video codecs that I can use with ffmpegX. It contains a whole list of MPEG4, XviD, DivX, MsMPEG4, MPEG1, MPEG2, H263, H264, Flash Video,... options, but not the ones usable with AVID...

BobRusso,

If I really have no other option I might do that on my Intel based MacBookPro (doesn't solve it for my G5...), but think that is a very disappointing option. I find it a shame that both AVID and SONY claim to provide platform independent solutions to than find out I have to install Windows on my MAC to make it work...

I really hope for a professional solution soon by either AVID or SONY...

May 7, 2008 9:20 AM
 

MojoJojo said:

avdesign

Actually any codec with a high bitrate would do. The program  uses FFmpeg kind of as an engine to do the transcoding but it might not have the option to transcode to DNXHD. Find another good high bit rate codec instead of DnXHD or google it again. "MP4 to DnXHD ffmpeg mac" or similair. I would help you out more but I have a lot of work and I work on PC and PC solutions are more interesting to me. You could also give Sony a call and ask them when the ==?=?#"##" they will release a PROPER PROGRAM for their XDCAM EX that works for all bitrates on all platforms. Perhaps soon? SONY!! HELLO?! Avid... When will we have native MP4 support? BobRusso?

May 7, 2008 9:55 AM
 

MojoJojo said:

BoBRusso

You had a very cool work-around for watching the UNC path of imported files eg. rewrapped MP4:s. Could you tell me a bit more about UNC path and tell me abit more in depth how you use a 24f project to see it?

Best,

Martin

May 7, 2008 10:00 AM
 

BobRusso said:

The MP4 file type that is created by the EX camera is brand new. No editor can read the MP4 files natively, not even Sony Vegas.

The Sony Clip browser software will only run on a MacIntel. So even if it did, there wouldn't be an option for a PPC computer. You could always try VirtualPC 7 on the G5.

May 8, 2008 1:17 PM
 

avdesign said:

Well, it is true that no editor can read the MP4 natively, but with the XDCAM Transfer tool I can easily import the files into FCP. The only thing important for me is that I can get access to the files in a quick and easy way. So far only Apple/FCP has been able to do that on a MAC. I've been an AVID user and supported for many, many years, even against all odds, but now it's starting to look like I have to look beyond AVID... in the end AVID is one of the tools I use to earn a living, and I can't afford loosing money on long conversion time or on trying to find a way to solve an incompatibility between Sony, AVID and MAC. I really don't understand why they can make it work for a PC and for FCP, but not for AVID on a MAC...

May 8, 2008 4:57 PM
 

BobRusso said:

This is a conversation I suggest you have with Sony, not Avid.

It was their decision to not enable the wrapping of the MP4 files as MXF on the Mac. Clearly they can do it, they were showing this ability at NAB.

May 8, 2008 5:03 PM
 

avdesign said:

I'm also having this discussion with SONY... However it most likely makes a big difference when I as a individual running a small studio tries to find a hearing ear and when AVID does...

BUT! SONY and AVID always claim to be the best choice for the user/buyer, as "they work so closely together and make sure everything they make is compatible..." not so true then...

Again, I pay for solutions, not discussions. If people or companies start pointing to others instead of co-operating in looking for solutions their customers need I draw the line...

So what's the word of AVID worth these days? I think with this comment you've just pushed me away from AVID...

May 8, 2008 5:18 PM
 

heibai said:

Bob,

I am new to both AVID and Sony so your instructions on converting my Sony clips to MXF were incredibly helpful--thank you. When I try to import the MXF to AVID, however, it says "You cannot import this file to a bin. See the documentation for information about transfering media files." Do you have any insights as to what I might be doing wrong here and where the documentation they refer to might be?

May 9, 2008 8:05 AM
 

BobRusso said:

What version of the Sony Clip Browser software are you using? There were problems with the original version that seems to ship with the camera. If you aren't using the latest version I suggest downloading it from Sony's website.

The only other reason you would receive this type of error is if you're trying to import an Avid MXF file.  

May 9, 2008 2:28 PM
 

MojoJojo said:

I dont think the first version even supported rewrapping. Have you tried draging and dropping to an open bin?

May 9, 2008 2:35 PM
 

BobRusso said:

To add the UNC Path to a bin view create a 1080p/23.976 project. With the text tab selected in the bin, select the fast menu and headings. The Bin Column Selection box will open. Highlight/select the UNC Path and press OK.

The UNC Path heading is now viewable in the bin. Save the bin view and close the project. Open a 1080i/59.94 project and call up the bin view that was just saved with UNC Path.

May 9, 2008 2:55 PM
 

MojoJojo said:

Ahhhh I see. very smart.

Thanks a million Bob

Martin

May 9, 2008 3:34 PM
 

heibai said:

I'm using AVID 5.6.6. I tried importing and dropping to an open bin and get the same response. Am I not supposed to be importing the MXF files? I thought that was the whole point--that I needed to convert it to MXF files for it to work. Thanks for all of your patience. As I said I'm just starting out here and I'm charting new territory since my friends are all Mac users and as confused by AVID as I am...sigh...

May 10, 2008 3:28 AM
 

BobRusso said:

What codec was this shot with? The 35Mb codec was just added in the 5.8.3 release of Xpress.

What version of the Sony Clip Browser software did you use to rewrap the MP4 file as an MXF file? Make sure you're using the latest version.

May 10, 2008 1:59 PM
 

heibai said:

hey Bob,

I'm afraid I don't know what a codec is. I'm trying to obtain an upgrade to 5.8 as we speak, though--thanks for the heads up. Unfortunately the upgrade was in AVD format which doesn't seem to be on my computer--I have contacted them directly for advice on how to procede with that.

The Sony Clip Browser came with the camera so it can't be more than a few months old (?)

The computer consultant at my university has thrown in the towel on this whole thing (kinda ominous, huh?) so I very much appreciate all of your good advice.

be well,

Marc Moskowitz

May 11, 2008 12:14 AM
 

heibai said:

oops, I just noticed that you already specifically said the version that ships with the camera might be outdated--I'll try downloading the newest version now--thanks!

May 11, 2008 12:16 AM
 

BobRusso said:

To upgrade a dongle take a look at the directions here:

<www.avid.com/dongle>

The EX1 camera can shoot in a 1920X1080 - 35Mb/s High Quality mode or a 1440X1080 - 25Mb/s mode.

The 35Mb codec was added in the 5.8.3 release. Trying to use a rewrapped MXF file with the 35Mb codec in an earlier version of the Avid will cause an error.

May 11, 2008 12:30 AM
 

heibai said:

Hey Bob

The dongle worked beautifully, thank you. I upgraded to 5.8 and now I can import though it says it can't read the codec as you warned it would--yes, I was shooting at 1920x1080. I will get the patch to 5.8.3 as soon as it gives me access (I seem to have a password problem at the moment).  Thanks again for your help--you've been a life saver!

May 11, 2008 7:07 AM
 

heibai said:

Ok, last question. 5.8.3 does indeed work (ya!) The image is off though--it is narrower (so figures seem taller and thinner). It is also washed out in that the image on the sony clip browser is MUCH more vibrant. The AVID version looks like a 60 year old photo that has faded with age. Any thoughts?

May 13, 2008 12:38 AM
 

BobRusso said:

Did you update the nVidia driver when you upgraded to 5.8.3?

Can you import or capture other video and does it look the same?

May 13, 2008 1:18 AM
 

heibai said:

hey Bob,

I figured it out. I had set up the project at a lower resolution. It all works now and the sun shines brightly--thanks!

May 13, 2008 3:11 AM
 

heibai said:

hey Bob,

I'm back. After a few days of playing with this I'm still not happy with the saturation level on AVID. Looking at my sony screen the picture seems both more saturated and slightly more defined. On the sony clip browser it looks more washed out and then by the time it hits AVID it looks even more washed out. I imported a few photographs to AVID and they are wonderfully saturated.

Suggestions?

May 18, 2008 3:58 AM
 

BobRusso said:

I'm not sure what the problem could be but this Blog isn't the best method for support. Could you send me an e-mail or post this question on the Avid Forums?

May 19, 2008 1:35 PM
 

URABOOB said:

I have been exporting finished sequences back to XDcamHD and the sequence names will not transfer. I have to go in and actually watch the start of each sequence and rename it.

Any insight.

I know Avid unable to re batch from proxies if the clips have been named in the field (BIG PROBLEM)is this related?

May 30, 2008 5:47 PM
 

BobRusso said:

Boob, Could you post this question to the Avid forums? Its a much better resource for this type of question.

June 3, 2008 6:37 PM
 

maverickeditor said:

Hi Bob,

I'm having problems importing EX1 files into Avid 5.8 (coming in green). Reading above see that I need 5.8.3 patch. For the life of me can't find it on Avid website. Also when I try login can't retrieve password no matter how many time I reset (and when I re-register, Avid says email is already on database). Soo complicated. Much appreciated if you could direct me to patch link. Thanks!

June 29, 2008 11:29 AM
 

BobRusso said:

You're correct, you will need the 5.8.3 release. This release is available in the download center. If you're having problems  with your login please send an e-mail with your contact and dongle information to: downloadhelp@avid.com.

June 29, 2008 3:12 PM
 

KSI said:

Ticket 75262 at avidtechnology.custhelp.com

references this demonstration.  You say "The files are added to the Media Composer very quickly, because they aren’t actually being imported. "

We're exeriencing a delay when importing 1080i 60i that seems like our MXF files are being re-transcoded.

Ticket 76231 says that the delay we're experiencing "is really the process of the audio and video being dis-embedded into separate files."

Which is true? Is there a way to import HD MXF files quickly or do the MXFs have to be disembedded as they are imported? If the single MXF file from Sony's Clip browser has to be disembedded, this really adds a lot of time to the process - not to mention much more space.

July 16, 2008 12:02 PM
 

KSI said:

Sorry - forgot to mention that I'm using Media Composer 3.0

July 16, 2008 12:03 PM
 

BobRusso said:

The Version 2 of the XDCAM EX software was released today!

<www.sony.ca/.../software.htm>

This will allow you to export OPAtom MXF files directly to the Avid MediFiles folder and an AAF of the clip on the Intel based Mac and Windows system. This will remove the in between step of exporting an OP1a MXF file and importing that into the Avid. I will post a tutorial ASAP.

July 16, 2008 1:25 PM
 

MojoJojo said:

Good news. Great work Sony... But it is a bit late. Thanks for the info Bob. I am really looking forward to listening to your workflow. I just spend a complete day exporting MXF from MP4:s. Now I need another day to import into Avid. That is soon ancient I suppose.

July 17, 2008 8:30 AM
 

BobRusso said:

I just posted a tutorial on how to use version 2 of the EX Clip Browser software:

community.avid.com/.../mac-based-media-composer-and-sony-xdcam-ex-workflow.aspx

July 25, 2008 8:54 PM

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